November 15, 2008
Frank Schubert is a liar, a bigot, and an idiot.
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Today Time published an article titled “What Happens If You’re on the Gay ‘Enemies List.’” It’s relatively accurate.1 The last paragraph, however, includes the clichéd response from the Yes on 8 campaign about the boycott-the-bigots movement. And it’s a cliché that is ridiculous, and I’m completely fed up with it being printed in news reports without it being immediately discounted. Here it is:
Meanwhile, lists of donors to Proposition 8, once trumpeted on the Yes on 8 Web site, have been taken down to protect individuals from harassment. “It’s really awful,” says Frank Schubert, campaign manager for Yes on Proposition 8. “No matter what you think of Proposition 8, we ought to respect people’s right to participate in the political process. It strikes me as quite ironic that a group of people who demand tolerance and who claim to be for civil rights are so willing to be intolerant and trample on other people’s civil rights.”
Schubert is a liar and a bigot, and obviously, he’s a hypocrite. Let’s take this apart.
“It’s really awful.”
What is awful? That your supporters have to face ramifications for their political acts? That they spent money on a campaign that demonized and lied about gays and lesbians and now gays and lesbians are angry with them? That majority rule does not mean that the majority can force a minority to shut up? (That the majority rules doesn’t even exist, since we live in a constitutional republic, not a direct democracy?) What did you expect to happen when you stripped a minority group of their rights? That we would crawl back into our closets? Frank Schubert, you’re an idiot.
“No matter what you think of Proposition 8, we ought to respect people’s right to participate in the political process.”
We are respecting their rights. They have every right to give money to a hate group. And we have every right to publicize this fact, to ask people not to patronize their businesses, and to protest their actions in legal and peaceful ways. It is rich that Schubert would bringing up “respect” for “rights,” after his organization stripped the rights of people he clearly has no respect for. Frank Schubert, you’re an idiot.
“It strikes me as quite ironic that a group of people who demand tolerance and who claim to be for civil rights are so willing to be intolerant and trample on other people’s civil rights.”
Intolerant? Tolerance does not mean lying down in the street and being run over by trucks. Tolerance is live and let live. It is respect for the beliefs and private actions of others. I am tolerant of Mormons practicing in their church. I am tolerant of my relatives who believe that the Bible does not support my marriage to another man. But the moment that the group I am tolerant of tries to strip me of my rights, spreads lies about me on TV, the radio, and the Internet, and enters the public sphere and tries to make me a second-class citizen, tolerance is irrelevant. I will not lie down in the street and die, Frank Schubert, you idiot.
Civil rights? In what way can you possibly argue that protesting the political actions of others is even remotely “trampling” on their civil rights? Have we prevented anyone from speaking? From organizing? From voting? From practicing their religion? From getting married? Political speech and political acts do not exist in a vacuum. They have consequences. The entire goal of Prop 8 was to use fear and lies to persuade voters to steal the rights of gays and lesbians. It takes a profoundly immoral hypocrite to dare accuse the victims of Prop 8 of trampling the civil rights of their opponents by exercising their right to free speech and assembly. Frank Schubert, you have no shame. You are a hypocrite. And an idiot.
UPDATE: His neice is a lesbian. And she’s appalled. The best part of her post:
And on behalf of the gays (and, in fact, those who are simply living the way people in the US were intended to- the straight people who let gay people live their own lives), fuck you Frank. You suck. (And your Thanksgiving pie sucked, too, by the way.)
1. I could have done without the paragraph about “targeting” African-Americans, which conflates racism expressed by a tiny fraction of people at a couple of rallies immediately after Election Day (with no mention of the gay racists on the Internet, who are supposedly legion), with a larger, organized boycott effort focused on donors, regardless of race.
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No, you’re a liar, a bigot and a hypocrite who covers up for the racism, the fascism and hatred in the gay community.
Explain this, 11 minutes into the 11/07/2008 CNN Anderson Cooper 360 show. He must have been using the n-word alot lately, like his fellow gay racists, and he slipped it into the word “inauguration”, watch for yourself: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbTvI5t7ZDU
Of course, I have shown in deep detail how Schubert (and his campaign, and his fellow travelers) is a liar, a bigot, and a hypocrite. You have bleated insults without a shred of evidence. Show me one thing I have lied about, one single bigoted statement I have ever made, and one single time where I didn’t practice what I preached. Oh, you can’t? I didn’t think so. And I haven’t covered up anything. And, really, how the hell could a blog read by 75 people a day cover up the racism in the gay community? And fascism? HUNH? And what the hell does Anderson Cooper’s mumbling have anything to do with anything? Crawl back under your bridge, you stupid, stupid, stupid troll. –Ed.
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The means you chose to spread this message of hate were beyond wrong.You will find out beginning in 2009 that you have offended the wrong people.
Who is “you”? Me? Or that twerp, Schubert? –Ed.
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Sedition! The Mormon Church hired Schubert for the purpose of sedition. An illegal act, the same as hiring a “hit man,” you are both guilty. The millions of dollars you are paid to undermine the constitutional government of the United States and to undermine the government of the State of California, dollars provided by a political action committee of the LDS under the auspices of Congressman Cannon (R) of Utah. You sir are guility of sedition!
I guess that’s one way of looking at it! –Ed.
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The 2008 Golden Teddy Awards for Most Excellence in Blogging at The Gideonse Bible
1 Jan 09 at 4:17 pm
[...] But by far the stupidest was from someone named “J” who commented on my post “Frank Schubert is a liar, a bigot, and an idiot.” There’s so much lunacy in so few words: No, you’re a liar, a bigot and a hypocrite [...]
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May God have mercy on you!
Alleluyah!
If there is a God, I really don’t think I am the one who will needing the mercy. But thanks for sharing, miranda_m@aol.com. –Ed.
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This article is GREAT. Frank Schubert is the worst kind of anti-gay… the kind you’re almost scared of. I assumed he must have a niece, brother, daughter, son, someone who is gay. Maybe he’s gay? We should ask!
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Now, of course, the Yes on H8 leaders have filed suit to make Yes on 8 donations anonymous. In other words, they want to hate from under their white hoods.
Sorry, we have the right to know exactly who is trying to destroy our lives.
The suit goes on to say that there has been a “pattern of hostility directed at persons because of their support” of Prop. 8 in recent months. “The threats, harassment and reprisals are a direct result of (the state law’s) disclosure requirements.”
A “pattern of hostility?” These “Christians” have engaged in an endless “pattern of hostility” against us for centuries. Let me sum it up:
Try living a life, from beginning to end, in which you are relentlessly and continuously harassed, abused, fired, beaten and even murdered because of something you didn’t have any control over, didn’t ask for, and certainly didn’t understand. We’ve endured decades of hostility and intolerance from pretty much everyone in pretty much all facets of our lives. Now that’s a “pattern of hostility.”
The proponents of proposition 8 are the poster children for hypocritical bigotry.
The time of voluntarily sitting at the back of the bus is over.
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Frankie’s little PR firm is getting BAD PR.
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4 Nov 09 at 10:19 am
[...] up mobs of religious and/or paranoid idiots. The good guys just don’t play as dirty as Frank Schubert, Maggie Gallagher, and Brian Brown, which makes us good, but it also means we are gonna lose a lot. [...]
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